Would you consider selling your 220 Turbo Coupe?

[DaveMCMkIII]

As a few people know Im after a low milesage, very clean 220 turbo coupe, thing is im pulling my hair out over the lack of decent ones, as most are over 100k or not clean enough. Want one in ideally knightfire red, but would consider blue, with the later bonnet and grille and a klinger head gasket. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone who has one fitting this description, that isnt advertising it for sale, may genuinely consider doing so, if the right price was offered.

[Punx0r]

would consider blue

Then you're in luck because it seems that 99% of them are tahiti blue

I'm pretty sure that on T16 after 1996 came with klingers as standard i.e. no 220 coupes. I'd be far more concerned with picking a car with a working headgasket than a particular type of headgasket tbh.

[DaveMCMkIII]

Fair point, but id end up changing it fairly soon as I want it to be as reliable as possible. How much is the Klinger HG?

[chazjenkins]

£46 for a complete headset delivered

[Scott]

please note you are confusing the headgasket issue.

i doubt there are any high mileage coupes left with original gasket. they form an oil leak only, it is not serious (unless literally all your oil is being lost). It is a T series engine.

Thats not the K series engine which is renouned for its head gasket failures in much more spectacular fashions which will leave you with a nackered car.

[DaveMCMkIII]

Ok, its just ive been told that the klinger gasket will help make the engine that bit more stronger and reliable, as it is superior over the stock item

[agw_01]

What Scott said is correct. The T-series engines don't have failures as such, just one of the oil ways tends to leak a little bit with the old-style gaskets in place.

These leaks can go on for years and years and not cause any problems, but of course, if it is leaking, it's best to get a Klinger fitted.

The Klinger won't make the engine anymore reliable (unless all of the oil drains out through the original gasket and the engine seizes) but I guess they stop the oil leak so do, in a way, make the engine a bit stronger.

[Scott]

not really.

Rover made a change in 96 and fitted the 'klinger' gasket instead of the normal one. It was deisgned to overcome the problem where the corner (where the high pressure oil feed to the head is) 'moves' and chews away at the rubber gasket, causing an oil leak.

the klinger is a metal one comprising a few layers. The original is metal, but covered with rubber. the rubber tends to perish over time, but is by no means a weak gasket. Its still metal around the firing rings etc, so it doesnt 'go' how you thing.

for a standard stock engine, i would happily consider either gasket to be on the car, as it makes no odds what so ever, so long as its not old... If a car is still on its original gasket though after 10years+ id bear it mind that it could start to leak in the near future.

you can check easily to see if a klinger is fited, as where the block meets the head, on the right hand side, a metal tab will protrude...

overall though, dont worry about the headgasket , its the least of your worries.

worry about boy racers, bleed valves, fuel pressure regulators, and rusted rear ARB mounts...

[Craig]

worry about boy racers, bleed valves, fuel pressure regulators, and rusted rear ARB mounts...

... cars that have been "tuned" by Moto Build ...

[DaveMCMkIII]

Excellent advice, ta very much, unfortuately all my engine knowledge (not that theres much!) is zetec related.

[Punx0r]

Just to add a little, when looking at cars look at the front right-hand corner of the block as this is where it will leak. Wet oil is obviously signs of a potential problem, old congealed oil may just be an incredibly slow weep, or gunk leftover from a previous leaking gasket that was subsequently fixed.

[t220cat]

i have had a klinger gasket on my car for nearly 2 years now and have not had a single drop of oil leak from anywhere, and it is a daily driver, which gets driven hard at 11psi and do about 12k a year, if you do find one with the above mentioned leak on the right hand side corner don't be to alarmed as they are pretty easy to do yourself(headgasket) and there are plenty of threads and people on here to help you

[Roboscot]

As a few people know Im after a low milesage, very clean 220 turbo coupe, thing is im pulling my hair out over the lack of decent ones, as most are over 100k or not clean enough. Want one in ideally knightfire red, but would consider blue, with the later bonnet and grille and a klinger head gasket. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone who has one fitting this description, that isnt advertising it for sale, may genuinely consider doing so, if the right price was offered.

I had considered selling mine at the end of the summer but keep changing my mind. If I had space for 2 cars I would want to keep the coupe and buy another car for everyday use but at the moment the Rover is my everyday car. Main reason Im reluctant to sell is that it's not worth much and I would struggle to get anything else as good for the money.. Not even sure what the realistic market value would be - you see the ones with well over 100k and a bit tired looking going for 1 - 1.2k, whereas mine is almost mint with only 59k miles but the fact remains in most peples eyes it's just a 12 year old Rover.

[agw_01]

in most peples eyes it's just a 12 year old Rover.

Which is the best thing about owning a Rover.

I've had people say to me (about my 214 mainly)...

"haha, is that your grandads' car?"

Then they get in it and their opinions change...

"Oh my god, look at this interior. These seats are lovely"

And I've not even got started on how many people commented on its performance.

[Roboscot]

Yeah that's the best thing about it. A local lad offered to race me in his saxo vtr but strangely enough wasn't too keen after I took him out for a spin. A lot of people haven't got a clue about Rovers even if they consider themselves a bit of a petrolhead.

[smile]

Buy Cableguys Coupe Turbo - its awesome

[agw_01]

You should have raced him He would have been so that his chavmobile got beaten by a grandadmobile!

Speaking of Saxo VTR's... a few weeks ago I was on the way back from my friends and was at a set of traffic lights leading to a dual carriageway. A Saxo VTR pulled up in the lane next to me.

Now this guy was a typical 'bad boy'... cap pointing at a 45º angle, one arm on the steering wheel... I just couldn't leave it. I set off from the first set of traffic lights rather quickly to about 4500rpm and then slowly braked for the next set. He comes flying past me and brakes quite hard.

I knew what was going to happen when the lights went to green...

Needless to say, he didn't look very happy when I eased off and let him past

[smile]

^^ haha, the amount of times ive done that - I just hope they think there's more than a 1.4 under the hood when I do it, and that i've been the better man.

... mind you - soon I might be able to prove it should the need arise

[414i2006]

worry about boy racers, bleed valves, fuel pressure regulators, and rusted rear ARB mounts...

... cars that have been "tuned" by Moto Build ...

WATCH THE LANGUAGE!

[MGJohn]

Ok, its just ive been told that the klinger gasket will help make the engine that bit more stronger and reliable, as it is superior over the stock item

The multi-layer gasket also sometimes known as the 'Klinger' was designed to reduce or possibly eliminate the oil leak ( often more of a weep ) from the high pressure oil supply to the camshafts where it passes from cylinder block to cylinder head through a small diameter hole near the front right of No. 4 cylinder. This oil leak is seen as a common fault on O, M and T series engines but is NOT a 'failure' in the true sense of the word and rarely merits a gasket change unless a lot of oil is escaping. A quick wipe with a cloth will suffice.

Having fitted several both Klinger and 'conventional' T16 cylinder head gaskets, I dont think there's that much difference quite honestly in my experience. Both are quite good. I am not alone in thinking this either.

What is very IMPORTANT is the surfaces of the cylinder head-cylinder block interface where it compresses the gasket*. Neglect, particularly failure to use correct grade, good quality antifreeze mix and renew when recommended will result in corrosion of the alloy faces, sometimes serious when even a 'skim' will not provide an good usuable surface to manufacturers spec.. This can lead to so called 'failures'. Gaskets rarely fail, they are invariably damaged first by some other agency, ususally overheating following coolant loss.

If the surfaces of the block-head are poor, the best gasket in the world will 'fail' in due course.

* This is of course true of any car's engine.

[Cableguy]

The car your looking for is at its oldest stage 14 years old now. And at its newest still 11 years old.

I guarantee you , that you will not find an immaculate coupe turbo in any colour for sale.

There are one or two "immaculate" ones but the owners are convinced that they are worth 6k.

Your going to need to find the best one availible to you and fix up a couple of niggles if you want a perfect example.

[220Si]

There are one or two "immaculate" ones but the owners are convinced that they are worth 6k.

Where?

[Cableguy]

Well , there is the odd one that folks have been scrupulous about i suppose , i rekon you could pick holes with any of them 14 years on though.

[DaveMCMkIII]

Cheers for the replies regarding the engine.

Cableguy - yeh ive kind of realised that, but i really need one thats no more than 70-75k, as i do a fair few miles a year and dont want the mileage to be into the 100ks by the time i come to re sell her. Anyhow, i maybe getting a 620ti instead, as an engine for my feista has come up, so as the ti is cheaper, that would suit my budget more.

[Cableguy]

Definately more chance of getting a mint ti than a mint coupe too.

You will get a much later model for the same price aswell.

[DaveMCMkIII]

Depends on this fiesta engine anyway, but if i get a ti id prefer one that already has T28 as i dont want to fiddle with this car too much, so keeping my eyes peeled on here.

[Roboscot]

So... Let's say I could be swayed to sell, not necessarily to you as its not your preferred colour, but what would someone be prepared to pay for one of these? Mine is a '94, has 59,000 on the clock with a service history almost every 4-5k from new, pretty standard under the bonnet and has done under 10,000 miles in the last 4 years due to being garaged as a sunday car by the owner before me. As good an example as you're likely to find I reckon.

[Cableguy]

Someone who really wants a clean car may pay 2k - 2.5k.

[tony_220turbo]

ive spent 4 k in the past 4 months! and im not tellin u what ive spent b4 that! im not sellin mine ever

[DaveMCMkIII]

Ive only been looking at coupes the last couple of months, but am aware from searching on here, low milers, that have been well looked after, in excellent condition and are 'fairly standard' can go for between 2-2.5k. Owning a modified car i know that you never get anything near back what you have spent on modifications and the only way a vehicle can retain value, or near to it, is if its something like an RS Turbo or Cossie (obviously, mileage and care permitting)

[shen]

i've had my coupe turbo (yes in common tahiti blue) for over two months now...i was advised not to buy as it seemed to be very dodgy.

it's got a pipe coming of the actuator that looks like a boost valve was fitted at sometime, full set of red silicone hoses, different tyres on every wheel and all i can say is so far it's been perfect.

paid a grand for it and i've never been happier.

like with any car you take a risk but i'd agree .. get a decent looking example and fix up any small bits n bobs rather than paying 3k+ for a real minter

like a friend of mine says who trades cars...

it's better to buy a car with 120k on the clock than one with 60k
what???!!! i asked, and his reason was rather beautiful

if after 120k a car still looks lovely and drives well(obviously sills etc all in good condition) you can be sure that everything that can break has already done so and been replaced or fixed.

at 60k anything could be just about to pop.

good luck finding one...they are awesome.