D16 turbo's

214 Si mod'd · Post by **214 Si mod'd** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:56 pm

Seen some D16 Turbo kits on Ebay and just wondering if there worth it.

Theres mainly 2 kinds that i can see:

1: Cheaper one's which inc. a T25 and no charge pipes but everything else.

2: More expensive one's which inc. T3/T4 with all charge pipes etc.

Can only find the dearer kind: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/88-00-Ci ... 5151QQrdZ1

EDIT: Found this 1 too.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-Ci ... 5330QQrdZ1

Are these kits worth it or should i just buy the bits seperate???

Regards,
Jay

brad · Post by **brad** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:03 pm

buy bits seperatly u could actually save money

214 Si mod'd · Post by **214 Si mod'd** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:12 pm

New turbo's have been going for like Â£300

Post by **Cableguy** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:17 pm

214 Si mod'd wrote:New turbo's have been going for like Â£300

Why do you want a new turbo on a 12 year old car ?

Get a second hand T25 for Â£50.

214 Si mod'd · Post by **214 Si mod'd** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:35 pm

Hmm gd point tht! I really must of been looking in the wrong places!

Any links etc. where i can get cheap stuff!!

Just thought the kit would kinda be worth it in the long run because you get everything in one package and don't have to have any charge pipes etc. fabricated

brad · Post by **brad** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:18 pm

but its not complete!!! no ecu there to run boost

u can buy interccoler pipe packages for the crx and civic im sure these would be close to the rovers

Post by **Cableguy** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:20 pm

bradharris wrote:but its not complete!!! no ecu there to run boost

u can buy interccoler pipe packages for the crx and civic im sure these would be close to the rovers

Standard ECU can be remapped.

lav · Post by **lav** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:53 pm

if your posting links to ssautochrome parts you really need to do some more research.

buy a quality, branded cast manifold and as already suggested a T25 from a rover coupe is fine to start boost with a budget, you can always goto a T28 if you want later on.

If you want to boost your D16, search around, theres plenty of info on hella rovertech too.

Why not look at the spec pages of grant and liams cars for parts ideas?

214 Si mod'd · Post by **214 Si mod'd** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:55 pm

Basically to get the car on the rd. i would need everything in the kit. FMIC, charge pipes, turbo, oil lines, manifold etc.

Also need the ecu re-mapped to accept boost and set the boost to 5-6psi.

Maybe once it's running etc. then think about bigger ingector's

But i just want to get everything so i can put it on the car so i can get my beast back on the rd.

Will post up what i want to do and things that need doing to get bk on the rd. in the one off's section.

EDIT: thanx for that Lav, will have a looksy

Jonny 5 · Post by **Jonny 5** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:49 pm

214 Si mod'd wrote:
Also need the ecu re-mapped to accept boost and set the boost to 5-6psi.

Maybe once it's running etc. then think about bigger ingector's )

You need bigger injectors from the go or a higher fuel pressure to even consider getting the ECU mapped. (which ideally means time on a dyno at Â£50+ an hr)

No need to think about bigger injectors then unless your going for more boost. But to get it running you need a proper fuel solution from the outset, you cant go wrong with 345cc H22 Prelude injectors.

WELZ · Post by **WELZ** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:30 pm

I thought you were going B-series??

Super Shite Autocrome :thumbdown:

Build your own turbo kit! Thats what im doing at the moment, ive got a G-reddy cast mani suitable for a t25/28, custom downpipe, H22 prelude injectors, custom oil feed, and oil feed return, etc etc! Do your research and things can be found preety cheap and easily!

Which reminds me, Jonny i need a word if you get chance!

helix · Post by **helix** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:49 pm

Isnt the B series far better to take turbo, how much could the d series ever give anyway

beeniemac · Post by **beeniemac** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:06 pm

B series conversion is a whole other ball game though, also a lot more expensive to get it in there in the first place.

WELZ · Post by **WELZ** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:38 pm

helix wrote:Isnt the B series far better to take turbo, how much could the d series ever give anyway

you can get D-series to push out over 500bhp with the correct mods!

grant.archer · Post by **grant.archer** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:09 am

200bhp is achievable easily enough at 7psi with a decent exhaust id say, I was very close, lets hope Welz can fly the flag for me and finish what me and Jonny set out to do

Ad has pretty much the best manifold you can get for this particular application, you need to be quick off the mark when things go up for sale

WELZ · Post by **WELZ** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:39 pm

grant.archer wrote:200bhp is achievable easily enough at 7psi with a decent exhaust id say, I was very close, lets hope Welz can fly the flag for me and finish what me and Jonny set out to do

Ad has pretty much the best manifold you can get for this particular application, you need to be quick off the mark when things go up for sale

Indeed!

216T · Post by **216T** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:26 pm

Sorry i aint' been able 2 reply think iv been banned or something???

Just keeps coming' up with an error? I havnt done anything wrong so :cry:

Anyways...... Was going to go the B18 route but i decided for my next car: Civic Coupe' either EG or EK Facelift the later ek shape and B18 that hehe.

So with this one while it's off the rd. I will be... Putting Roversports skirts on, Maybe roversport rear bumper if its still for sale, Turbo it, lower it possibley 60mm bigger brakes possibley the 282mm set up, think thats about it lol

I was actually thinking of a T3/4 but that might be too big and laggy so to get rolling T25 sounds gd.

Trying to pick info up from where i can but i dont get on the net much so it's hard....Pure internet this week tho cos' im looking after my bro's house hehe.

The main thing that confuses me is the ingectors and ECU part. Been reading about it 2day and H22 one's should fit pretty much effortlessley being honda an all but you lot already knew that didnt you lol.

Autochrome hasnt got the best reputation has it lol

Thanx for your reply's tho and any info from any1 is always gd

Regards,
Jay

lav · Post by **lav** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:41 pm

how much extra has the insurance told you the turbo and other non standard items will raise your premium..

WELZ · Post by **WELZ** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 12:05 am

216T · Post by **216T** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 1:38 am

lol Well if i can get insured on a Sierra XR4x4 3.0l V6 for a Â£1000 im sure it aint going to be that bad.

Dont really matter what it is, has to be paid so i will pay it!

Anyways, Been looking at Hondata S200, S300. Looks like its a very usefull bit of kit that! Â£300 worth tho! But it would have launch control, mapping, full throttle shifts etc. Some nice toys.

Just had a look at your Thread Welz.... Top notch m8!

Lovin' the look of your car too, Sidelights in indicator's too

;)

Did you go to trax this year?

Jay

WELZ · Post by **WELZ** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:11 pm

I did indeed! Cheers dude!

I can get insured on an impreza no problem, BUT when my engine coverted, turbo charged 216 costs more on the insurance as youve messed around with it! Just keep that in the back of your mind!

Anyway good luck, im sure we can share advice etc, And create a build up thread!

Post by **MarkCoupe** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:38 pm

Just thought id add this useful bit of info...

Imprezas Suck..

Carry on

Mark

216T · Post by **216T** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 1:38 am

lmao, yush they do! apart from the P1 and that P2 which hasnt been made but that wouldnt be an impreza

You know its so rare to find a blue one too!!! I mean you go to shows an stuff and there are like car parks full of impreza's but only about 2 blue 1's hehe

Did you see that blue eg civic that i put pics an vids up of on ere? My m8's beasty hehe.

Ill gladly share info etc. Will need all the help i can get lol... At the mo im gaggin' to get it bk on the rd. :cry:

Once i get my new job and get some funds, will be getting parts as quick as i can and as soon as i get them, there going on the car lol Will start a build up thread soon enough.

Think i should Mini-me it at the same time? Might leave it for a bit and wait till turbo etc. is done.

So many things todo.

Gd luck to 2 m8y

Jay

Mynheers_a_pint · Post by **Mynheers_a_pint** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:09 pm

FWIW D series take boost better due to a lower comp ratio, but obviously have lower power. Having said that a guy on honda CRX forum did a comparitive RR graph of DOHC D Vs DOHC B and the results were very interesting;

The D series actually had more power lower down, and until VTEC would have had an edge on the B. As soon as the B hit VTEC, thats where the difference showed. I will try and dig out the information later on.

www.sohcturbo.org is damn usful for D sieres builds- SOH or DOHC.

Jonny 5 · Post by **Jonny 5** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:19 pm

Mynheers_a_pint wrote:FWIW D series take boost better due to a lower comp ratio, but obviously have lower power. Having said that a guy on honda CRX forum did a comparitive RR graph of DOHC D Vs DOHC B and the results were very interesting;

The D series actually had more power lower down, and until VTEC would have had an edge on the B. As soon as the B hit VTEC, thats where the difference showed. I will try and dig out the information later on.

Thats if you had a 1:1 gear on both cars though, the B seires shorter stroke (hence lower torque as a rule but not really often seen in real) allows more revs and shorter gears. My two 1.6 DOHCs, were identical curves pretty much, just B carried on at around 6800rpm where the D started to tail away.

Comp ratio has nothing to do with its ability to take boost better, just means you get away with poorly design components and small turbine housings easier. The wild'ish nature of Honda OEM cams and the superb heads makes the dynamic compression no too much of a problem, this is even more true on the B's which have awesome machine tolerence on their heads.

If your boosting i wouldnt bother with mini-me, just get a cheap SOHC head and get some head work. The boost will give you all the power you need to bend rods/crack pistons way before a lack of VTEC becomes an issue. For Hondata systems you need to go OBD1 before you ever consider using S200 or S300. The gear I used can tune the Rover OBD0, Ive done Liams, Grants and Lavs. Grants DOHC map with 345cc injectors is a pretty well developed map now for a moderate boost of 5psi. His would have been an animal if some granny didnt wipe it out, the 2" exhaust upgraded with a tweak more boost would have seen some rather impressive midrange grunt. Liams is getting there but he seems to have bad luck in getting dogs of engines before we get tinkering

And Lavs is just ripe for that wall of flat torque not normally associated with Honda 4 bangers.

owen · Post by **owen** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 3:15 pm

very interesting thread here,

i'v just found a great 'how to' on turbo charging a honda, pics of everything needed to be done

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1263795

any progress 216t?

WELZ · Post by **WELZ** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:37 pm

Preety good thread, www.turbod16.com is the best site though!