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Mitus
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Forged leftovers

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As per this thread I have the makings of a decent forged bottom end, and enough parts to make up a whole engine.
First off, set of 4 Pauter rods as supplied by GBE. These are his full spec ones and currently cost £754 to buy new. Before you get too excited, they were in an engine that suffered big-end bearing failure (suspected dodgy crank) and as such are not perfect. IIRC, the one fitted to No.3 was the worst and got pretty hot as a result. On the plus side, the shells looked to have taken all the abuse and left the rods virtually untouched. Infact 1 & 4 look great, No. 2 has some discolouring but not as bad as No. 3
Anyway, all 4:
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The rods aren't numbered as to which bores they were in, I'm relying on my memory here. The caps are matched to the rods though and the bolts are in the same threads they were using before.
So, this is either 1 or 4, one of the better ones anyway:
Small end:
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Big end:
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This is the other good one, so again either from 1 or 4:
Small end:
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Big end:
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Number 2 small end:
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Big end:
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Number 3 small end:
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Big end:
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Another shot of number 3 big end, to show discolouring:
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Same with number 2, not as bad as number 3:
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As you can see there is some surface rust where they've been sat around, this will come off with a bit of elbow grease. If I get bored I might even do it myself. They're actually in better condition than I remember, they've been sat in a box for well over a year and I haven't touched them! They are not from my car, but are from an engine that I built.

Moving on, pistons from my car, in order No 1 to No 4 showing each side of piston and pin:
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I have centre dotted the underside of each piston to identify which bores they came from as the rings are matched to the block. I've cleaned them up a bit as you can see. You may be able to make out in the pics that the pins have some lines around the circumference of them, about a quarter of the way in from each end. I suspect this is the unwanted movement they had that has caused this. They still fit the pistons OK, a couple are a bit tighter going through but once they're in the correct place in the piston, they turn freely. They've done 20k+ miles well enough, but can be replaced individually if preferred. I've removed all the clips (yep, all 8 of them :wink: ) so again, it's up to the buyer if they want to reuse them, I'll include them anyway. Rather sensibly, I placed them in the packet that the new clips came in, and took a pic so the part number is documented:
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The block was originally a Vitesse unit, but has had the sump holes drilled & tapped to M8, and the cambelt end mounting holes drilled and tapped to M10 for installation in the ZS. So it is essentially now a 620ti block. The head face was given a light skim to ensure it was flat. Pic from below and above, followed by bores 1 to 4, 2 angles of each:
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Also have a flowed cylinder head, fitted with Piper 270 cams. Something which was replaced along the way to try and eliminate the rattling noise, without success. So I had another head flowed and it's own cams reprofiled by Piper as they were known good items. As this move didn't cure the noise, I can vouch for these here also being good items!
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For some reason only the inlet cam has BP270 stamped into it, the other just has the standard rover part number. However, I bought them 2nd hand to begin with and they came with verniers (now on my engine so not available here) so I have no reason to think that only 1 is a 270.

Other things I have which will help make an engine:
620ti sump & pickup, they need a damn good clean, bought them incase I ever did decide to put this lot together myself.
NASP crank. Known good and untouched (not reground) and came from the NASP block which is now in my car. I don't have it here, it's at my dad's house but is there for the taking.
Water pump housing, non A/C. Water pump has done the same 20k miles that the pistons & block have done. PAS pump also available if need be as is the aux belt.
Oil pump. I have an oil-cooler and non-oil cooler one here. They are of unknown age and mileage and are just parts I've acquired over the years. I opened them both up and the non cooler one looks the better of the 2. Upto the buyer which ONE they take, if either, I'll want to keep one as a spare.
Flywheel. Have a 2 gap and 4 gap, the 2 gap has been skimmed so looks pretty new and is here with me. The 4 gap is at my dad's and IIRC is from the Vitesse that the block originated from.
Manifolds. I have an inlet manifold here, but robbed the injectors for the Mini. I'm pretty sure there's a complete manifold at my dad's along with a standard turbo exhaust manifold.

Things you'll need that aren't included (only because I don't have them!)
Turbo, gaskets, main & big end bearings & thrust washers, cambelt, vernier pullies (can supply a pair of standard ones but you'll really need verniers to make the most of the pipers). Adapter plate, I don't think I have one and if I do, it'll be an 820 one (different to the 220/420/620). Head bolts/studs, though I will chuck in a pair of the plastic locating dowels :lol:

Price; I'd like £1000 for EVERYTHING listed above. I will consider splitting it but ideally I'd like to sell the whole lot as a "kit" as there's no point in me keeping one single component if all the rest get sold. Yes, I have kept all the best stuff for myself (who wouldn't?!) and am now selling my unwanted parts. The rods and oil pumps are the only parts not "tested" by myself, but I do know the history of the rods due to building the engine, and subsequently stripping it down again 1000 miles later to see the state of the big end bearings :( I don't want to build the engine up for the buyer for a couple of reasons. One, they're bloody heavy, so transporting it in this way is easier! Two, I'd prefer it if the buyer actually saw the parts for themselves before parting with any money. I could have slapped it all together and sold it on as a fully forged engine y0, but I'm not like that :thumbup:
I'm also aware it's a lot of money to spend, but compared to the price of these parts new, it ain't bad. I've also spent a lot of my own time and money chasing what turned out to be a simple fix, replacing one component at a time. I'd like to get some of that money back now :)

Lastly, I'm in Didcot, Oxfordshire and offering collection only. My dad lives in Hinckley, Leicestershire, so it'll take some careful logistical planning for the buyer to end up with all the parts, but it can be done :D
From the original "Forged piston rattle" thread, I had 4 people contact me to express interest in the following order:
Cableguy
ttrw_2
Rizzy
Hayleyb

I told them I'd get the for sale thread up ASAP, so here it is!
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Re: Forged leftovers

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Do you know of anywhere that could check the rods over? Im interested, but I dont have enough exp to know if they are going to be okay in another engine and reluctant to buy and be left with 4 ornaments
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Re: Forged leftovers

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theoretically nothing should be wrong with the rods, i think mitus is being over cautious. If a you have big end failure on a normal engine you very rarely damage the rods and normally the crank. These are steel rods i personally believe they will be ok. If i hadnt already a set i would have bought the rods.
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Very interrsted in the rods.. you have a price on them?
And the pistons perhaps as well.. what comp ratio do they have?
/Joakim
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I forgot to say, the rods were checked for ovality at the big ends and one was corrected very slightly (ie fractions of a millimetre). I assume this was No. 3 as that was the worst of the bunch when removed as stated.
I've not really given much thought to individual prices for stuff, like I say I'd prefer if they were all taken together. It's early days yet so for now I'll hold out for someone to wave £1000 in my face :lol: but I'll give some thought to prices if I were/am to split them.
Rizzy may well be right, I might be being over cautious. I can honestly say that if I had gone down the road of having a trackday toy then I would have had no issue in putting this lot together and using it all myself. But of course, it's already all in my possesion and my money has already been spent on it!

Pistons give a standard comp ratio of 8.5:1
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Re: Forged leftovers

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Well i have a head being ported right now so no need there... Bloody Wössner pistons has only 8 in comp (1mm deeper combustion chamber) and i plan to run on E85 with a tighter squish band...
The rods would very much come in handy, piston as well as they are higher comp than the Wössner's then.

So... a price for pistons + rods.. send me a PM pls.

/Joakim
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Re: Forged leftovers

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Okay thats good. Well, let me know if you want to part the rods out as itd be nice to chuck them into my engine when I put an extra set of clips on the pistons :thumbup:
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Bumpage. Had some interest in individual bits if i split, but still no takers for the whole lot. Will give it til the end of the month then look at splitting stuff :)
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No longer need the rods mate. However interested in the head if you decide to part :)
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Thread revival/bumpage! I need this stuff gone now, can't believe it was August I tried to sell it :o

I am now keeping the head, but everything else is available still and I'd like to get in the region of £600. As before, I'd prefer not to split.

Please PM me if interested.
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