Poor VW

Post by **Marty** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 9:48 pm

Cheers pengy it cracked me up [emoji38]

mg-richard · Post by **mg-richard** » Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:25 pm

Imagine having your car go back to get re-mapped and knock 50hp and 10mpg off

Post by **Marty** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:00 am

Ford do it all the time

Skillen · Post by **Skillen** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:05 am

james3990 · Post by **james3990** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:54 am

We brought a new VW almost 18 months ago and wondered why the Salesman called us yesterday just checking if everything is going alright with the car.

You know when something is very serious in the automotive news when it makes Monday morning news!

They won't be the only manufacture, just the first to get caught.

Post by **Marty** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:18 am

Skillen wrote:

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Post by **Marty** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:04 am

roveboy · Post by **roveboy** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 11:18 am

hahah they are great

Always found the diesels are cleaner theory very wrong and now its all coming out.

mg-richard · Post by **mg-richard** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 12:53 pm

Pretty sure every manufacturer has done similar, because of the BS test they are supposed to pass not reflecting real world conditions, producing artificially low targets for everyone and keeping the government happy!

russ220 · Post by **russ220** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:09 pm

Ive always said that VAG and BMW diesels really stink compared to other brands when theyre running in the workshop. Its such a sickly, eye stinging almost choking gas being emitted and they smell identicle! Never thought it was suspicious like

Yet you dont get this with Merc/LR/Fench/ every other modern diesel that comes in.

Be interesting to see who else is up to no good

Post by **Marty** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:57 pm

russ220 wrote:Ive always said that VAG and BMW diesels really stink compared to other brands when theyre running in the workshop. Its such a sickly, eye stinging almost choking gas being emitted and they smell identicle! Never thought it was suspicious like

Yet you dont get this with Merc/LR/Fench/ every other modern diesel that comes in.

Be interesting to see who else is up to no good

Ford are the same when im MOT testing them they sting your eyes and burn throat and the fact that VAG's won't Rev either the modern ones I always do emmitions first and switch off I'm not prepared to inhale that all be it im a smoker I'm sure a cig is much better then what is coming out of them.

roveboy · Post by **roveboy** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:22 pm

I find when you follow a much older car you get a slight smell of fuel but when you follow a modern car it stinks. Something is not right and this vw scandal will hopefully help sort it all out.

1234dist · Post by **1234dist** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:32 pm

one from Daniel Overton on fb made me laugh

russ220 · Post by **russ220** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:42 pm

We dont tend to see many diesel Fords at our place, mainly these Fiesta ST's - ill have to check it out.

Its certainly all quite interesting, even more so that the french n merc diesels use that DPF fluid/Adblue yet the rest don't

I should imagine that JLR arent hiding anything judging by the road tax band of their diesel vehicles over the others.

Rover had the right idea, just limit the Hp/Tq to keep the emissions down

Mad really, the road tax is similar between a stock 99hp ZR TD and a mk4 Golf TDi 150

I do love German engineering - it keeps us very busy

russ220 · Post by **russ220** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:46 pm

1234dist wrote:one from Daniel Overton on fb made me laugh

I saw a post on a US forum where some guy had label printed some new badges for the back of his VW

It goes below the TDI badge and reads:

Tampering Device Inside

Post by **Marty** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 9:48 pm

My GTTDi is cheap tax nice one VW [emoji38]

russ220 · Post by **russ220** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:04 pm

Haha i know my pal had one just like yours, couldnt believe his and my at the time ZS 115 were the same £120 tax rate.

I have to suck it up with my conversion as its a R25 diesel engine in place of a 1993 2.0

Post by **Marty** » Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:46 pm

They don't hang about either the problem is with a diesel there is no smoke without poke

This one sums it up [emoji38]

1234dist · Post by **1234dist** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:36 am

Geo_coupe · Post by **Geo_coupe** » Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:57 am

Hopefully stories like this will change the public perception of a bland diesel yawn mobile being the car to have (no matter what the annual mileage) and make the 2nd hand car market a bit more interesting in a few years.

southside · Post by **southside** » Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:53 am

I heard on the radio yesterday some BMW's have already been tested and found to be fine.

stefaclese · Post by **stefaclese** » Mon Sep 28, 2015 1:27 pm

The official line from JLR is that they don't use any tampering devices or software and don't cheat on their emissions. Hardly surprising given the tax bands they fall under as mentioned, plus they're all built by Ford anyway except for the new generation of inlines.

mg-richard · Post by **mg-richard** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:08 am

Do all the affected cars have cam operated injectors? (rare in passenger cars)
Might be an inherit issue?

E_T_V · Post by **E_T_V** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 12:59 pm

No it is the bosch engine management which had the emissions test defeating software built in. I would guess that all such bosch engine managment equipped cars will now be under increased scrutiny as they could all have cheated tests if they chose to.

mg-richard · Post by **mg-richard** » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:06 pm

Are you saying no they dont have cam operated injectors, or no its purely the software?

E_T_V · Post by **E_T_V** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 1:43 pm

As far as I know it doesn't matter on the injector type. The ecu software allows the cheating and it is the ECU that fires the injectors in modern diesels.

russ220 · Post by **russ220** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:35 pm

pretty sure only the PD / 1.9's are cam operated. most from 2008/2009> are 2.0 common rails

Post by **Marty** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:34 pm

I'm not complaining I have cheap tax [emoji38]

They now asking for people to take there cars in to basically take some power of them sod that haha

mg-richard · Post by **mg-richard** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:26 pm

I was just wondering if VW had an actual reason for cheating, rather than just being a bunch of greedy nazis

E_T_V · Post by **E_T_V** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:57 pm

Yes. You can make a car perform far better (both economy and performance), if the emissions can be "cheated".

Therefore if you cheat your car performs "better" than the competitors so you sell more of them.

-----Poor taste joke alert-----

Lets face it, it isn't the first time that the Germans have been gassing people and lying about it.

Post by **Marty** » Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:11 pm

[emoji38] [emoji38] [emoji38] soooooo wrong

TFPaul · Post by **TFPaul** » Thu Oct 01, 2015 12:07 pm

E_T_V wrote:Yes. You can make a car perform far better (both economy and performance), if the emissions can be "cheated".

Therefore if you cheat your car performs "better" than the competitors so you sell more of them.

-----Poor taste joke alert-----

Lets face it, it isn't the first time that the Germans have been gassing people and lying about it.

ha ha ha nearly spat me friggin tea all over my desk when i read that

Nom · Post by **Nom** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:04 pm

E_T_V wrote:Yes. You can make a car perform far better (both economy and performance), if the emissions can be "cheated".

Therefore if you cheat your car performs "better" than the competitors so you sell more of them.

-----Poor taste joke alert-----

Lets face it, it isn't the first time that the Germans have been gassing people and lying about it.

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