Cograts to Andy Nicholls (again!)

[MarkCoupe]

Nah, 147 mph is way way over 650. Andy was doing circa 140s at 700hp+200gas

It is definitely not over 700hp PLUS gas!!
The turbo he is running is not big enough to flow over 700hp.

It's close though.

The revs allowing near enough 11k when needed will certainly make use of the large turbo.

An awesome piece of kit, but he seems to be having issues with his new box. He's warped a few block too.

Mightly impressive, a thinner driver would probably help somewhat though, without trying to be nasty.

I dont think a few kilos of driver weight would make a sh1ts bit of difference, no one can drive that thing like him. He's been driving big turbo powered fwd MGRs for 15 yrs. And has always been 2 yrs ahead of the game. When he was running 11s, everyone else was impressed by running mid 12s, when he was running 11.3s and 11.4s others were impressed with very low 12s. then he ran 10.3s/10.4s a good 18months before anyone else got near that realm.

Plus no way it revs to 11.

And yes he probably will beat Grant down the strip, because Grants car isnt a drag car.

[5teve L]

All weight loss helps at the top Mark
I wonder if he's hitting a wall now, the limit of the engines build, maybe the aerodynamics of the car ?

[bendjunkie]

I love how people seem to jump on the band wagon on rovertech.
I respect grant and his t16 knowledge, but andy's engine is far from the standard match of parts.
You all seem to say, no way, it won't do it, yet the info came from the horses mouth. He may well not use all the revs, they may be there to allow for things such as full throttle gear changes.

Mark, I never doubted Andy's ability, when I said thinner driver, I never ment for it to be someone else. Think before you post

[Grant620]

Also, grant, we know of an exhaust maker who makes manifolds for bike engines (I can't remember which bikes, possibly CBR's) with T3 turbo flanges, that supposedly push upwards of 700bhp (with/without nos). I'll get some more info of the revs involved.

I know of a Haybusa with 780hp - nothing new there.
With revs it is possible on a big enough turbo.
Ask Andy how is triple plate clutch is
Sometimes people say things to lay down a smoke screen - I think you have been smoked dude

[Coupe100]

Also, grant, we know of an exhaust maker who makes manifolds for bike engines (I can't remember which bikes, possibly CBR's) with T3 turbo flanges, that supposedly push upwards of 700bhp (with/without nos). I'll get some more info of the revs involved.

How is that of any relevance to this thread? Bikes are known for high revs, high horsepower, but relatively low torque figures. Something that can rev to over 14k should be able to produce 700bhp much easier than something that revs to 8, 9 or 10k. You are of course aware that BHP is simply a calculation based on RPM and torque. The trick to making big BHP is keeping the torque level right through the rev range - at extremely high revs this is obviously much more difficult.

Its wholly irrelevant how much BHP Andy's car has anyway, what I'd be interested to know is what is the peak torque and at what RPM - in fact, I'd love to see a torque curve for the car.

[MarkCoupe]

Mark, I never doubted Andy's ability, when I said thinner driver, I never ment for it to be someone else. Think before you post

Terribly sorry, im off to go and self flagalate.


Bandwagon...hmmm

[bendjunkie]

Also, grant, we know of an exhaust maker who makes manifolds for bike engines (I can't remember which bikes, possibly CBR's) with T3 turbo flanges, that supposedly push upwards of 700bhp (with/without nos). I'll get some more info of the revs involved.

I know of a Haybusa with 780hp - nothing new there.
With revs it is possible on a big enough turbo.
Ask Andy how is triple plate clutch is
Sometimes people say things to lay down a smoke screen - I think you have been smoked dude

I'd love to say that I thought that was true, but I very much doubt it. Much of it has been backed up by his clutch supplier (we discussed this before, and you know exactly who I'm revering to) and his piston supplier.

[wilky]

I love how people seem to jump on the band wagon on rovertech.
I respect grant and his t16 knowledge, but andy's engine is far from the standard match of parts.
You all seem to say, no way, it won't do it, yet the info came from the horses mouth. He may well not use all the revs, they may be there to allow for things such as full throttle gear changes.

Mark, I never doubted Andy's ability, when I said thinner driver, I never ment for it to be someone else. Think before you post

we all jump on the bandwagon as some have been doing t16 for year's, i had mine in 1995-1996 and had forge's ect
now it billet from one off crank twin plate clutch rod's billet cam's which have so much lift that i had bigger followers made and had the head bore ,i've even converted a prima diesal with a t16 head and made 300 bhp so alot of people have seen it all before .no one doubt's andy he's well proven and it's nice to see a rover at the top of the 1/4 fwd

[MGTurbo]

Do we have another andy butt kisser here?

[bendjunkie]

Do we have another andy butt kisser here?

Lmao, I respect the bloke for how far he's managed to take the rover, and if that make me an arse kisser then so be it.

I love the comments from the people who probably haven't even met andy, hilarious.

[MGTurbo]

Do we have another andy butt kisser here?

Lmao, I respect the bloke for how far he's managed to take the rover, and if that make me an arse kisser then so be it.

I love the comments from the people who probably haven't even met andy, hilarious.

I've met him. Actually, i walked past him at Pod once. I've also met god.

[MarkCoupe]

Do we have another andy butt kisser here?

Lmao, I respect the bloke for how far he's managed to take the rover, and if that make me an arse kisser then so be it.

I love the comments from the people who probably haven't even met andy, hilarious.

I've met him. Actually, i walked past him at Pod once. I've also met god.

Nice, what did he look like?

[MGTurbo]

Do we have another andy butt kisser here?

Lmao, I respect the bloke for how far he's managed to take the rover, and if that make me an arse kisser then so be it.

I love the comments from the people who probably haven't even met andy, hilarious.

I've met him. Actually, i walked past him at Pod once. I've also met god.

Nice, what did he look like?

Who, God or Andy Nicholls?

[bendjunkie]

Do we have another andy butt kisser here?

Lmao, I respect the bloke for how far he's managed to take the rover, and if that make me an arse kisser then so be it.

I love the comments from the people who probably haven't even met andy, hilarious.

I've met him. Actually, i walked past him at Pod once. I've also met god.

You must have gone to sarcasm school to think up of a reply so undoubtedly amazing as that.
Well done you, certificate is in the post.

[Andy25]

Ade wish Andylewo was on here now lol,I love how people on here change their opinion day to day lol.

One thing I will say chaps is like Adrian said (and I think you have not read correctly) . The engine is built for 11,000rpm that does not mean it will be used at all times. The mapping and etc will only let 11,000rpm happen at certain points defined by Andy.

Grant as for smokescreening I do see what your saying but having spent time with Andy going round the car I can assure you this is not the case. Andy does cloud the truth for people if he thinks it's needed.

[Punx0r]

Why would the truth need clouding for anyone? Just curious.

Is there precedent for an 11k rpm engine with dimensions similar to the T16?

Just looking from the outside in.

[Andy25]

Why would the truth need clouding for anyone? Just curious.

Is there precedent for an 11k rpm engine with dimensions similar to the T16?

Just looking from the outside in.

For many reasons to keep certain specs secret.

The T-16 is not a great base but any decent twin camshaft engine with enough money thrown at it will rev what ever you desire.

[Grant620]

OK... Um.. Fine...
I'll have a word with the EVO boys and tell them their 9k mega spec engines are pathetic

As stated in the OP though, this wasn't to create debate - only to congratulate.
As ever when a high power car is discussed, many topics get brought up, but maybe now is not time for it as I don't want to fall out with anybody over it!

[MGTurbo]

Do we have another andy butt kisser here?

Lmao, I respect the bloke for how far he's managed to take the rover, and if that make me an arse kisser then so be it.

I love the comments from the people who probably haven't even met andy, hilarious.

I've met him. Actually, i walked past him at Pod once. I've also met god.

You must have gone to sarcasm school to think up of a reply so undoubtedly amazing as that.
Well done you, certificate is in the post.

Nope, i went to the same school as you. Did you send it first class?

[Andy25]

OK... Um.. Fine...
I'll have a word with the EVO boys and tell them their 9k mega spec engines are pathetic

As stated in the OP though, this wasn't to create debate - only to congratulate.
As ever when a high power car is discussed, many topics get brought up, but maybe now is not time for it as I don't want to fall out with anybody over it!

Were not falling out a healthy debate is good for forum atmosphere it gets people talking.

Just some food for thought. The Pinto (8v iron block) can be made to revup to nearly 9,000rpm so if that lump of pig iron can do that then a T doing 11 no longer seems such a mean feat.

[bendjunkie]

OK... Um.. Fine...
I'll have a word with the EVO boys and tell them their 9k mega spec engines are pathetic

As stated in the OP though, this wasn't to create debate - only to congratulate.
As ever when a high power car is discussed, many topics get brought up, but maybe now is not time for it as I don't want to fall out with anybody over it!

You can't compare in the slightest, the high revs may well be used to to keep torque low in he lower gears so not to loose traction, full throttle gear changes for the top speed runs. Comparing a 4wd or even rwd really isn't a fair comparison (ps, I don't recall seeing that many evo's at totb last year)

I am not here to try to prove anythng to you guys, believe what you may.
Andy runs the local rolling road to us, he is a nice chap, and congratulations to him.

[bendjunkie]

Do we have another andy butt kisser here?

Lmao, I respect the bloke for how far he's managed to take the rover, and if that make me an arse kisser then so be it.

I love the comments from the people who probably haven't even met andy, hilarious.

I've met him. Actually, i walked past him at Pod once. I've also met god.

You must have gone to sarcasm school to think up of a reply so undoubtedly amazing as that.
Well done you, certificate is in the post.

Nope, i went to the same school as you. Did you send it first class?

Wow, I'm hurt, what a reply. You obviously obviously "bunked off" quite a few lessons.

[MGTurbo]

Do we have another andy butt kisser here?

Lmao, I respect the bloke for how far he's managed to take the rover, and if that make me an arse kisser then so be it.

I love the comments from the people who probably haven't even met andy, hilarious.

I've met him. Actually, i walked past him at Pod once. I've also met god.

You must have gone to sarcasm school to think up of a reply so undoubtedly amazing as that.
Well done you, certificate is in the post.

Nope, i went to the same school as you. Did you send it first class?

Wow, I'm hurt, what a reply. You obviously obviously "bunked off" quite a few lessons.

Obviously.

[wilky]

just get a power graph up showing 11000 rpm job done that will shut everone up,most engines will go to 10,000 rpm
fop 5sec it's getting the components relible, t16 are heavy and long stroke pinto is short stroke and 10,000 on a pinto
you will prob need ally rod's

mine goes to 8000 rpm

[Punx0r]

My crude understanding is that the loads involved increase disportionately with engine revs. So going from 9000rpm to 11000rpm is a massive increase in forces on the piston/rod/bearings/crank, not simply a ~20% increase.

It's a shame someone would feel the need for secracy. That usually causes me to lose interest straight away, not got much time for bullshit.

[Stevo135+]

I don't believe the 11k thing at all. When AN had the T16 in the Maestro he had a feature done in a magazine talking all about the car. This stated that the engine was revving to 8000rpm, and was running at around 30psi. I don't know what power the T16 had in the Maestro but im sure it was over 550bhp before any Nitrous was used. The best quote i've heard for the ZR was 800bhp, but i think by then AN was using a 2 or 3stage N02 system. There is no way he could have found a way to reach another 3000rpm in those few years IMO. The power doesnt need that kind of rpm anyway, as look at cossy and Evo and Scooby lumps that are 600-700bhp, alot of them don't rev much over 7000-7500 to make the power, but they run a logger load of boost.

[shaggy]

I cant understand why these type of arguments seem to arise when a thread like this is started.

At the end of the day, well done to Andy. That time in a FWD car is awesome. If its all his own work, ideas, spec etc then he should be given some credit, not people saying "i dont believe this that and the other".

Fair play to the bloke.

If what he has said is all lies and made up (smokescreen) then fair enough, the dude still runs constant 10's.

I myself aint gonna get involved in technical talk as when it comes to engines, box's etc i'm a dummy!!

[Null_Byte]

Well there seems to be a lot of smoke and mirrors talk in here, but can I just point out:

1) Does it really matter what power, or how many RPMs his engine is making? He gets a 10 second run, is that not good enough?

2) Power output of the engine is one part of the jigsaw, getting that power down, handling, delivery, are all equally important.

I don't think there is any point arguing over what may or may not be under the bonnet, especially without a hard copy of the spec list.

I think the important thing to take away here is that a 10 sec FWD had been created, and its a Rover

[Coupe100]

The 'claimed' spec is here:

http://www.an-racing.com/bubble.html

It does say at the top 800bhp+ but like has been said, thats not really the point. A 10 second quarter in a FWD car is phenomenal.

[tomcat]

I 'd doubt he revs to over 7 -7500rpm maximum.. no need with a monster turbo and a shed load of nos

Andys times though are awesome and a great advert for other mg's /rovers tuning potential

[5teve L]

Yeah, whichever way you look at it 10 sec 1/4 miles take some doing in any car, let alone FWD.
Must have spent some serious dosh on it though

[Scott]

on the website its listed as £70k value... meastro at £30k

[evolotion]

when the flag drops the bullshit stopps much respect for car and driver!

no idea on the spec of teh car, but know theres little point asking, and even less point arguing.. anyone who is ahead of the game in ther chosen field keeps there cards close to there chest.

[Grant620]

Totally agree.
At the end of the day, AA Autosport are a competitor of ANR... So if he really did tell you the truth about the mods and spec I'd be more than a little surprised.

[Punx0r]

Ok, yes, I wouldn't expect him to hand of the technical drawings of any custom designed parts if he thought there was a significant commercial advantage to keeping it shush. But basic engine dimensions, material type used for parts, power curve, turbo type etc. I can't see a realistic reason to bullshit over that stuff.

Then again, some people just will not share because they see no advantage to themselves. Could be the case here, could not - I've never met the man. Although some people who have don't speak highly of his attitude.