iPhone 3GS

[Marco]

Ok we all know whats good about this phone, can you list its bad points?


Cheers

[rovex]

Cost over full contract term
None replaceable battery
None replaceable memory
Closed OS
restricted customisation
No FM radio
Capacitive screen ONLY works with a finger (a pain in the winter, no gloves!)
Low res screen
Camera isnt that good
11% failure rate
No multitasking
No flash support or java
Limited media format support
GPS options limited
No drag and drop file support, even from itunes.
Limited enterprise computing support
Not that secure (believe it or nto windows mobile is the only mobile OS that is CIA approved)
Starting to look out of date?
Common as muck

[bgunn]

(believe it or nto windows mobile is the only mobile OS that is CIA approved)

I'm no apple fanboy (although I do have an 3GS) - but that must be about the *only* good thing Win Mo/CE has got going for it.

I've used plenty of Windows phones, and they're just logger - you can tell it's based on Windows CE architecture that's ancient..

Brian.

[rovex]

I have a touch HD running Winmo 6.5 and HTC Sense. I dont find it a problem, the HD2 will be my new phone next week. Besides if you dont like Touchflo/sense or titanium there is also Winterface, SPB shell, FE Widgets, and more interfaces to choose from. With Apple you get one, and i hate it.

[bgunn]

Fair enough, each to their own. I happen to like the Apple interface, but can see how one might not like it.

Win Mo is incredibly inefficient and really not up to scratch though - yes it's customisable - but that's only because the original interface is absolutely shocking. How Microsoft think they can tackle iPhone with that, god only knows.

[rovex]

MS provide the OS, the interface is up to the manufacturer. the android interface, without a shell is horrible, the iPhone OS without its shell is horrible. If manufactrers choose not to provide a shell thats not MSs fault. If anything the problem is that the basic Winmo shell is too good, making some manufacturers lazy and not bothered about covering it.

A classic example is the Acer Neotouch and the Touch HD2. Both new, super fast winmo phones, one with only 6.5 Titanium, the other with Sense. Even though the neotouch is half the price of the HD2, it seriously loses.

[shen]

I'm with rovex on this one...

HTC phones are the dogs danglies.

iphone has a nice interface and a good size screen....the end

HTC phones have hundreds of nice smooth interfaces and have such ability for customisation to get them exactly how you want.

I have the diamond and wouldn't swap for an iPhone if you paid me.

winmo is often badly packed onto phones by manufacturers and this causes some versions of them to seem jerky and slow.
with so so many home cooked roms out there I think it's foolish to reckon they're all gonna be pants.

had my diamond set recently to look and function like an iPhone to test against a colleagues real thing.
beat it hands down and even he, an iPhone fan, admitted this.

[bgunn]

It's like the linux/windows argument really - you prefer what you prefer. I've had enough win mo phones, played with enough roms and faffed with customisation enough times to figure that I just want a phone that works well for me. My iPhone happens to do that, so I'm happy..

My advice to the OP is to try it, see what you like best - saying any particular platform/phone/OS is the best is a minefield really.

[shen]

aye fair enough...just look at the HD2 though!!!!!

on the plus side for iphone is that there is alot of commercial development of apps...that is also a bit of a downside though...commercial and they cost.

[bgunn]

HD2 does look nice, I have to admit. The depressing thing is that the HTC hardware is very powerful, they just don't always get drivers written for them, so the hardware is rarely operating to full potential..

[rovex]

True, although much less of an issue with the snapdragon processor. Its a faster CPU than the TI unit in the 3GS and its GPU is near enough just as fast.

I do think the iPhone will be more of a gaming device, but its horses for courses, i couldnt care less about 3D gaming on a handheld ddevice, as such the iPhone has no advantage at all. I prefer the 2.5x as many pixels on the HD and HD2.

[carl747]

If it crash's you will have to wait till it's good and ready

[ttrw2]

I've got one and I think it's smashing! Had a HTC magic between this one and an original Edge iPHone and I thought that was rubbish..!

[Sheaf]

Ok we all know whats good about this phone, can you list its bad points?


Cheers

Like all these touch screen phones, they're friggin massive.

A few people at work have them, along with various other varieties.. and they're always missing calls because the bloody things are so big they dont keep them in their pockets, they leave them on their desk/bench and walk away.
Genius, a mobile phone that you dont take with you....

I personally don't get the point. What's the point of all this HD? Is it really needed? I cant see me ever wanting to watch a film or play a game on my phone, I have perfectly good TVs/console at home for that which are much better..

IMO they're clever little devices, but they're being clever for the sake of it, not because it's actually needed in most cases. Normal size phone that does everything you need FTW.

[618ireland]

Like all these touch screen phones, they're friggin massive.

I have one of these http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/d ... pressmusic , far from massive, not much bigger than many non touch screen phones, does me nicely for phoning, texting and the odd bit of internet on the go, also can send your free web texts from the phone which is potentially useful especially as the web texts are free to international numbers. Quite cheap too now as they are out a while.

I think the i phone is a tad large too, few of the buddies have them and they feel the need to have these daft wallet type pouch things to protect them.

[rovex]

I dont find the size a problem, they are very thin, the HD2 is about 9mm thick, my HD about 11 and when in my pocket i hardly notice its there.

Screen resolution is a factor on these phones, the higher res means web pages an be viewed more easily. I find the iphones low resolution a problem.

I agree about games though, sure the iPhone has the 3D games, but does anyone really play them that much? They seem like a marketing exercise to me rather than a practical app. The DS has much better games that are actually fun, and they are more like the games on Windows mobile. Not flashy, but actually fun and interesting.

One more interesting thing, as of yesterday there is now a viable working version of the Heros Android available for the Touch HD, you can run both Winmo and Android on the phone without re-flashing.

[BrackenFox]

I have the diamond and wouldn't swap for an iPhone if you paid me.

Same here. I've had various HTC phones for years now, and have a Diamond at the moment. Windows Mobile does exactly what I want, runs smoothly and doesn't crash. Well, doesn't crash that often, certainly a lot less than it did on my old TyTN II. It's also small enough to fit into my pocket and I can forget it's there, so it's hardly bulky. Opera Mobile is a superb browser, I find it much better than Safari on the iPhone to use. Mobile IE is a complete disaster area though.

I've played with the iPhone 3GS, lovely design and nice interface, but it just can't do the things I want, so it's not an option for me. Certainly doesn't seem any snappier in use than my Diamond does when compared side by side.

I will agree that bare WinMo is absolutely vile though, couldn't imagine using it without a decent shell such as PointUI or the later versions of TouchFlo on top.

I'm watching Android with interest, though, as if anything tempts me away from WinMo, that'll more than likely be it.

[rovex]

I do believe there are android packages for the Diamond as well as the HD. Its still not complete, the issue being drivers for camera, wifi and GPS, but its getting there. Im sure it will be fully functional at some point, the Hero is basically the same hardware after all.

Ive been playing with Android on my HD and ive got it to connect to 3G now and i have managed to install a few free 'market' apps.